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		<title>By: Dave Weyman [Riceburner]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Weyman [Riceburner]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

From most of the posts submitted by the guys who have ridden and seen the sled, it sounds like you have a winner for the next sled in the &quot;Apex Bloodline&quot;

This sled sounds like the sled I am looking for to replace my 06 Apex GT.

&quot;Better handling, easier steering, less ski lift, a little longer track, 4 holer with a little more power,  better ski&#039;s, better windshield and hot handwarmers&quot; is what I am reading from those that rode it. 

This is what I was looking for as a trail rider from Yamaha as I told you in so many words here last year, and then some. 

Not sure about the higher seat. Hopefully I will get to ride one if you do Demo rides in N.B. this year and I will know. I have a bolstered 07 seat on my 06 GT I love, so it will probably be fine.

I lead some of the demo rides for Pat Hicks in March of 08. Do you know if he will be doing one in southern New Brunswick this year?

As far as the weight, A little less would be nice but I don&#039;t care much as a trail rider. I don&#039;t carry my sled around under my arm. My Warrior was one of the best trail sleds I had and it was HEAVY. I&#039;ve ridden the XP 2 strokes and do not care for light bouncing balls. Weight gives stability,stability is what you want on trails IMHO.

Nice work!!! If it has EPS, hopefully that will get to the Vector line very soon too as I know my lady would love power steering.


Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>From most of the posts submitted by the guys who have ridden and seen the sled, it sounds like you have a winner for the next sled in the &#8220;Apex Bloodline&#8221;</p>
<p>This sled sounds like the sled I am looking for to replace my 06 Apex GT.</p>
<p>&#8220;Better handling, easier steering, less ski lift, a little longer track, 4 holer with a little more power,  better ski&#8217;s, better windshield and hot handwarmers&#8221; is what I am reading from those that rode it. </p>
<p>This is what I was looking for as a trail rider from Yamaha as I told you in so many words here last year, and then some. </p>
<p>Not sure about the higher seat. Hopefully I will get to ride one if you do Demo rides in N.B. this year and I will know. I have a bolstered 07 seat on my 06 GT I love, so it will probably be fine.</p>
<p>I lead some of the demo rides for Pat Hicks in March of 08. Do you know if he will be doing one in southern New Brunswick this year?</p>
<p>As far as the weight, A little less would be nice but I don&#8217;t care much as a trail rider. I don&#8217;t carry my sled around under my arm. My Warrior was one of the best trail sleds I had and it was HEAVY. I&#8217;ve ridden the XP 2 strokes and do not care for light bouncing balls. Weight gives stability,stability is what you want on trails IMHO.</p>
<p>Nice work!!! If it has EPS, hopefully that will get to the Vector line very soon too as I know my lady would love power steering.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: sledfreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>sledfreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Display purposes or for trail rides?

&lt;em&gt;both... select VIP rides and display, I think customers who supply Timbits when visiting and speak nicely about us on line will be first in cue ;-) cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Display purposes or for trail rides?</p>
<p><em>both&#8230; select VIP rides and display, I think customers who supply Timbits when visiting and speak nicely about us on line will be first in cue <img src='http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: bagadonitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bagadonitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cr,

Can you make a comment on the availability of the MT9 ski and carbide?  I can see that the supposed part number for the ski is showing up in some of the Canadian online fiche systems but there is no price.  The carbide part numbers are not recognized at all yet.

I am a few weeks away from some trips to western Newfoundland from eastern Newfoundland and I really wanted to upgrade my skis for the steep and deep this year.  I really wanted to try the MT9 but if they are not going to be obtainable a heads up would be good so I can order something else and have it in time.

Any insight appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cr,</p>
<p>Can you make a comment on the availability of the MT9 ski and carbide?  I can see that the supposed part number for the ski is showing up in some of the Canadian online fiche systems but there is no price.  The carbide part numbers are not recognized at all yet.</p>
<p>I am a few weeks away from some trips to western Newfoundland from eastern Newfoundland and I really wanted to upgrade my skis for the steep and deep this year.  I really wanted to try the MT9 but if they are not going to be obtainable a heads up would be good so I can order something else and have it in time.</p>
<p>Any insight appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: sledfreak</title>
		<link>http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2010/01/08/apex-vs-apex-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-3504</link>
		<dc:creator>sledfreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, will you becoming up North with this sled anytime before the end of winter?  Even though it looks like winter ended early...

&lt;em&gt;I doubt that I will be there but the sled will be in your neck of the woods in February. You&#039;ll need to stay in touch with your dealer as the plans are just now being confirmed with our field reps... cheers cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, will you becoming up North with this sled anytime before the end of winter?  Even though it looks like winter ended early&#8230;</p>
<p><em>I doubt that I will be there but the sled will be in your neck of the woods in February. You&#8217;ll need to stay in touch with your dealer as the plans are just now being confirmed with our field reps&#8230; cheers cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Zigomanis</title>
		<link>http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2010/01/08/apex-vs-apex-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-3502</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Zigomanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the timing is right.
I was following the lead group then before turning off towards the cottage in Wasaga.
Wow.. thanks for the belated offer. It would have been sweet to compare it to my current Apex. Judging by what Chad said it will be one nice sled. What I saw from following for a few miles I know this is going to be one very quick well handling machine. ;)
Yes read here and TY as well, just not very vocal.

Happy trails Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the timing is right.<br />
I was following the lead group then before turning off towards the cottage in Wasaga.<br />
Wow.. thanks for the belated offer. It would have been sweet to compare it to my current Apex. Judging by what Chad said it will be one nice sled. What I saw from following for a few miles I know this is going to be one very quick well handling machine. <img src='http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Yes read here and TY as well, just not very vocal.</p>
<p>Happy trails Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Zigomanis</title>
		<link>http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2010/01/08/apex-vs-apex-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-3496</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Zigomanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have missed my opportunity to see this beast.I was riding those exact trails on that evening I believe. After following the four Yamaha&#039;s for a few miles they stopped at a trail map. As I was passing by on my Apex GT I could not really identify one of the sleds. Could that have been your group, possibly? If it was I regret not stopping to say hello and identify that mysterious machine.
Maybe next time.

Timeline

&lt;em&gt;We were a group of eleven sleds but at times we had a gap or two   between us. Were on the trail from 10 until 4:30... would have let you take a pull on it if I knew you read Sled Talk ;-) &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have missed my opportunity to see this beast.I was riding those exact trails on that evening I believe. After following the four Yamaha&#8217;s for a few miles they stopped at a trail map. As I was passing by on my Apex GT I could not really identify one of the sleds. Could that have been your group, possibly? If it was I regret not stopping to say hello and identify that mysterious machine.<br />
Maybe next time.</p>
<p>Timeline</p>
<p><em>We were a group of eleven sleds but at times we had a gap or two   between us. Were on the trail from 10 until 4:30&#8230; would have let you take a pull on it if I knew you read Sled Talk <img src='http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </em></p>
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		<title>By: 7 skulls</title>
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		<dc:creator>7 skulls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey CR, congrats on the new iron and having 7000 sled blog followers (as quoted by the latest yamaha horizons). Excellent marketing, I think the new sled has to be ridden to understand its significance. &quot;Easy steering&quot;, &quot;flat handling&quot; &quot;feels light&quot; are the ty comments that have me thinking it may be time for my brother to upgrade his warrior.

&lt;em&gt;Hey 7, glad you have been able to navigate around all the contentious comments from the sidelines and picked up on the key words from the guys that have actually tried the machine. IMHO it really does work well and is worth a serious look from anyone who appreciates the Apex bloodline.

cheers
cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey CR, congrats on the new iron and having 7000 sled blog followers (as quoted by the latest yamaha horizons). Excellent marketing, I think the new sled has to be ridden to understand its significance. &#8220;Easy steering&#8221;, &#8220;flat handling&#8221; &#8220;feels light&#8221; are the ty comments that have me thinking it may be time for my brother to upgrade his warrior.</p>
<p><em>Hey 7, glad you have been able to navigate around all the contentious comments from the sidelines and picked up on the key words from the guys that have actually tried the machine. IMHO it really does work well and is worth a serious look from anyone who appreciates the Apex bloodline.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: Chad Metcalf</title>
		<link>http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2010/01/08/apex-vs-apex-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-3494</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Metcalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to CR, I was one of the guys that got to ride the new sled.  We rode out of the Sno Voyageurs club house in Midhurst yesterday with Chris and did about 180kms or so looping over toward Collingwood, Singhampton, Stayner and back (B103 to B to 804 to B111 to B to B103). Trails were in remarkably good condition for the entire trip with only sporadic rough spots.

On to the sled... For reference, I ride a 2009 Vector GT LTX.

From all points around the new sled it appears as an Apex since it had no graphics and we were not able to take any panels off for a closer look. It sounded more like an Apex and pulled like an Apex and a couple guys were able to wedge their heads into the air vents and count 4 headers exiting the engine (my head is too big to confirm!). The new seat and exhaust are packaged nicely and are far less bulky then the previous Apex. It really looks slim and trim. Reminded me of the Polaris Dragon in shape and support. The track was obviously longer than 121&quot; and shorter than my 136&quot;, so the speculation is about 128&quot; with a newly tweaked Monoshock rear. This set up really worked. All dressed I&#039;m 220 to 230lbs, 6&#039;3&quot; and found the setup nearly perfect. I did not bottom on any bumps yet the ride felt plush, no harshness at all. The tunnel is also bent up a few degrees which is obvious with the trimmer seat.

Power was very smooth throughout the powerband as we&#039;ve become used to with Yami 4-strokers, I was impressed. It definately pulls harder than my Vector. Steering this sled is absolutely effortless feeling like power steering and about halfway through our ride, one of the guys was playing with the new &quot;trick&quot; guage pod and saw EPS confirming what we felt, since we know Yamaha uses EPS in their ATV&#039;s. I have to say without doubt, this sled was the easiest riding sled I have EVER riden. Whether it really is or not, this sled easily felt 100lbs lighter. I&#039;d say the center of gravity has been lowered since there was NO roll in the corners, NO ski lift. The front to back balance was unbiased and there was obviously engine braking reduction in play.

The one downside I noticed (although other Apex riders said it was improved) was a wierd resonance inside my brain bucket at 45km/h. I know Apex riders have complained about a sound at lower speeds and I can&#039;t be sure it wasn&#039;t just the combination of me and my $150 helmet. Wasn&#039;t annoying enough to bug me but it was noticeable switching back and forth from my Vector.

This is a flatlander, high mileage, trail rider special for sure in this configuration. We are all dying to see the actual specs on Feb. 2, 2010!

&lt;em&gt;Hey Chad, thanks for coming out, it was a pleasure to meet and ride with you. Appreciate your comments and impressions, appears so far that we all got the same feeling from the sled, which is what I was hoping for... keep the soft side up!

cheers cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to CR, I was one of the guys that got to ride the new sled.  We rode out of the Sno Voyageurs club house in Midhurst yesterday with Chris and did about 180kms or so looping over toward Collingwood, Singhampton, Stayner and back (B103 to B to 804 to B111 to B to B103). Trails were in remarkably good condition for the entire trip with only sporadic rough spots.</p>
<p>On to the sled&#8230; For reference, I ride a 2009 Vector GT LTX.</p>
<p>From all points around the new sled it appears as an Apex since it had no graphics and we were not able to take any panels off for a closer look. It sounded more like an Apex and pulled like an Apex and a couple guys were able to wedge their heads into the air vents and count 4 headers exiting the engine (my head is too big to confirm!). The new seat and exhaust are packaged nicely and are far less bulky then the previous Apex. It really looks slim and trim. Reminded me of the Polaris Dragon in shape and support. The track was obviously longer than 121&#8243; and shorter than my 136&#8243;, so the speculation is about 128&#8243; with a newly tweaked Monoshock rear. This set up really worked. All dressed I&#8217;m 220 to 230lbs, 6&#8217;3&#8243; and found the setup nearly perfect. I did not bottom on any bumps yet the ride felt plush, no harshness at all. The tunnel is also bent up a few degrees which is obvious with the trimmer seat.</p>
<p>Power was very smooth throughout the powerband as we&#8217;ve become used to with Yami 4-strokers, I was impressed. It definately pulls harder than my Vector. Steering this sled is absolutely effortless feeling like power steering and about halfway through our ride, one of the guys was playing with the new &#8220;trick&#8221; guage pod and saw EPS confirming what we felt, since we know Yamaha uses EPS in their ATV&#8217;s. I have to say without doubt, this sled was the easiest riding sled I have EVER riden. Whether it really is or not, this sled easily felt 100lbs lighter. I&#8217;d say the center of gravity has been lowered since there was NO roll in the corners, NO ski lift. The front to back balance was unbiased and there was obviously engine braking reduction in play.</p>
<p>The one downside I noticed (although other Apex riders said it was improved) was a wierd resonance inside my brain bucket at 45km/h. I know Apex riders have complained about a sound at lower speeds and I can&#8217;t be sure it wasn&#8217;t just the combination of me and my $150 helmet. Wasn&#8217;t annoying enough to bug me but it was noticeable switching back and forth from my Vector.</p>
<p>This is a flatlander, high mileage, trail rider special for sure in this configuration. We are all dying to see the actual specs on Feb. 2, 2010!</p>
<p><em>Hey Chad, thanks for coming out, it was a pleasure to meet and ride with you. Appreciate your comments and impressions, appears so far that we all got the same feeling from the sled, which is what I was hoping for&#8230; keep the soft side up!</p>
<p>cheers cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: Northener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is certainly a step in the right direction, Chris! It&#039;s very nice to be able to read what &quot;normal&quot; persons think of the new sled, as one get quite a few different points of view of how it was. The magazines has their place, but I really like to read what a fellow sled-head thinks of it. And one can ask them a question if there is something that&#039;s not quite clear, that&#039;s the greatest thing about the forums IMO... 

Keep up the good work. Can&#039;t wait for February 2. to find out what they really rode... LOL :D

&lt;em&gt;Thanks for the vote of confidence, wish everyone shared your insight ;-)  cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is certainly a step in the right direction, Chris! It&#8217;s very nice to be able to read what &#8220;normal&#8221; persons think of the new sled, as one get quite a few different points of view of how it was. The magazines has their place, but I really like to read what a fellow sled-head thinks of it. And one can ask them a question if there is something that&#8217;s not quite clear, that&#8217;s the greatest thing about the forums IMO&#8230; </p>
<p>Keep up the good work. Can&#8217;t wait for February 2. to find out what they really rode&#8230; LOL <img src='http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Thanks for the vote of confidence, wish everyone shared your insight <img src='http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: Chad Metcalf</title>
		<link>http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2010/01/08/apex-vs-apex-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-3492</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Metcalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Chris!  Thanks for a great day on the trails yesterday (and lunch!).  Not sure when you guys got in but when I left you to go on ahead, I was an hour and forty minutes non-stop riding to get back to the truck at 4:15pm.  Just as I crossed the road at the club house, Joe OPP officer was sitting in his truck, got out, checked my sled for permits and said, &quot;have a nice day&quot;.  Thank goodness he didn&#039;t catch me doing mach 5 on the trails!

Thanks also for allowing us to see and ride the top secret OMG.  Great sled.  I&#039;d be happy to provide my thoughts on riding it, just say when and where.

Cheers!

&lt;em&gt;Hey Chad was great meeting you yesterday, The other guys are all talking and posting the experience, riding the new machine&gt; It would be great to get your comments as we didn&#039;t have time yesterday. Please feel free to post your report here or let me know if you are on any of the forums like TY...
Nice to know the OPP are keeping an eye on the clubhouse and parking lot.
cheers
cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Chris!  Thanks for a great day on the trails yesterday (and lunch!).  Not sure when you guys got in but when I left you to go on ahead, I was an hour and forty minutes non-stop riding to get back to the truck at 4:15pm.  Just as I crossed the road at the club house, Joe OPP officer was sitting in his truck, got out, checked my sled for permits and said, &#8220;have a nice day&#8221;.  Thank goodness he didn&#8217;t catch me doing mach 5 on the trails!</p>
<p>Thanks also for allowing us to see and ride the top secret OMG.  Great sled.  I&#8217;d be happy to provide my thoughts on riding it, just say when and where.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p><em>Hey Chad was great meeting you yesterday, The other guys are all talking and posting the experience, riding the new machine> It would be great to get your comments as we didn&#8217;t have time yesterday. Please feel free to post your report here or let me know if you are on any of the forums like TY&#8230;<br />
Nice to know the OPP are keeping an eye on the clubhouse and parking lot.<br />
cheers<br />
cr</em></p>
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