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		<title>By: Yellowknife</title>
		<link>http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2009/11/20/california-dreamin/comment-page-1/#comment-3356</link>
		<dc:creator>Yellowknife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, my ride review of the Rush is available at http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=80113

Now i&#039;ll have to do a review on the XTX ;-)

&lt;em&gt;Interesting write-up YK. For the record, Yamaha has always measured the rear suspension travel taken from the center of the rail in a vertical line. Some other OE&#039;s measure the rear axle travel. 
Depending on the skid design you will get different numbers measuring the font rail, center and rear, generally speaking the rear axle will yield the biggest number. Measuring the shock stroke is not the answer as the geometry and linkage designs are not constant from one suspension to the next. I think your &#039;bunometer&#039; comment is more important, if you bottom too easily and struggle with small bump compliance at the same time then you have a real problem, doesn&#039;t really matter if it 12 or 14 inches... remember what what they say &quot;it ain&#039;t whatca got... its how ya use it! cheers  cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, my ride review of the Rush is available at <a href="http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=80113" rel="nofollow">http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=80113</a></p>
<p>Now i&#8217;ll have to do a review on the XTX <img src='http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Interesting write-up YK. For the record, Yamaha has always measured the rear suspension travel taken from the center of the rail in a vertical line. Some other OE&#8217;s measure the rear axle travel.<br />
Depending on the skid design you will get different numbers measuring the font rail, center and rear, generally speaking the rear axle will yield the biggest number. Measuring the shock stroke is not the answer as the geometry and linkage designs are not constant from one suspension to the next. I think your &#8216;bunometer&#8217; comment is more important, if you bottom too easily and struggle with small bump compliance at the same time then you have a real problem, doesn&#8217;t really matter if it 12 or 14 inches&#8230; remember what what they say &#8220;it ain&#8217;t whatca got&#8230; its how ya use it! cheers  cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2009/11/20/california-dreamin/comment-page-1/#comment-3312</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have always wondered what it would have been like if we had continued to develop the SnoScoot / SnoSport and made them a bit bigger…  cheers cr&quot;

That&#039;s funny! I&#039;m  also curious to see how it performs in the real world. I just don&#039;t buy into the hype that it is as revolutionary as IFS or the Rev. Looks like another way to build a mouse trap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have always wondered what it would have been like if we had continued to develop the SnoScoot / SnoSport and made them a bit bigger…  cheers cr&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny! I&#8217;m  also curious to see how it performs in the real world. I just don&#8217;t buy into the hype that it is as revolutionary as IFS or the Rev. Looks like another way to build a mouse trap.</p>
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		<title>By: Yellowknife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yellowknife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the back story Chris, I sent a thank-you off to the folks at Wildwood Sports. I also brought coffee and donuts into the folks at Force One this morning (delaying production, as Doug put it, in the process!)

And, as I wait for parts on both sleds, I managed to snag a weekend of test riding on a 2010 Polaris Rush. I&#039;ll need to find time to write a review!

Cheers,
YK

&lt;em&gt;Looking forward to reading your ride impressions of the Rush, I have always wondered what it would have been like if we had continued to develop the SnoScoot / SnoSport and made them a bit bigger... ;-) cheers cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the back story Chris, I sent a thank-you off to the folks at Wildwood Sports. I also brought coffee and donuts into the folks at Force One this morning (delaying production, as Doug put it, in the process!)</p>
<p>And, as I wait for parts on both sleds, I managed to snag a weekend of test riding on a 2010 Polaris Rush. I&#8217;ll need to find time to write a review!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
YK</p>
<p><em>Looking forward to reading your ride impressions of the Rush, I have always wondered what it would have been like if we had continued to develop the SnoScoot / SnoSport and made them a bit bigger&#8230; <img src='http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  cheers cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the video!</description>
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		<title>By: Yellowknife</title>
		<link>http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2009/11/20/california-dreamin/comment-page-1/#comment-3306</link>
		<dc:creator>Yellowknife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nytro Engine Update:

I have really great news, and I really don&#039;t know how to repay the people I owe this news to. Despite the timing chain tensioner being backordered, a combined effort from my dealer Force One in Yellowknife and Chris Reid/Yamaha Canada managed to find one for me and it is being shipped our way which should be enough time to get it installed before I leave for Ontario.

I can&#039;t say enough good things about the support I get from all of the above people and those of you online. Situations that could easily leave me sledless for months are always backed up by hard work from the dealer floor right up to the corporate level. Without this support I&#039;d have a lot less seat time. 

I&#039;ll say it again and again, never ever have I seen a dealer and manufacturer step in to assist a consumer so much. The backing I get and all the support is appreciated BIG TIME and there&#039;s just no way &#039;thank you&#039; feels like nearly enough, but I owe you guys, so THANKS!!

YK

&lt;em&gt;Hey YK glad to hear you are up and running but I cannot take any of the credit on this one, I did have your back with a contingency but what happened was an example of our dealers working together. Our system allows dealers to communicate and helps them to locate products when the need arisies. In this case Paul and the good folks at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wildwoodsports.com/FRAME.HTM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wildwood Sports &lt;/a&gt;had the tensioner in stock and offered to part with it for. It was your dealer Force One, who put it all together, just another advantage of being part of the Yamaha family ;-) cheers  cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nytro Engine Update:</p>
<p>I have really great news, and I really don&#8217;t know how to repay the people I owe this news to. Despite the timing chain tensioner being backordered, a combined effort from my dealer Force One in Yellowknife and Chris Reid/Yamaha Canada managed to find one for me and it is being shipped our way which should be enough time to get it installed before I leave for Ontario.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say enough good things about the support I get from all of the above people and those of you online. Situations that could easily leave me sledless for months are always backed up by hard work from the dealer floor right up to the corporate level. Without this support I&#8217;d have a lot less seat time. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it again and again, never ever have I seen a dealer and manufacturer step in to assist a consumer so much. The backing I get and all the support is appreciated BIG TIME and there&#8217;s just no way &#8216;thank you&#8217; feels like nearly enough, but I owe you guys, so THANKS!!</p>
<p>YK</p>
<p><em>Hey YK glad to hear you are up and running but I cannot take any of the credit on this one, I did have your back with a contingency but what happened was an example of our dealers working together. Our system allows dealers to communicate and helps them to locate products when the need arisies. In this case Paul and the good folks at <a href="http://www.wildwoodsports.com/FRAME.HTM" rel="nofollow">Wildwood Sports </a>had the tensioner in stock and offered to part with it for. It was your dealer Force One, who put it all together, just another advantage of being part of the Yamaha family <img src='http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  cheers  cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: sledfreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>sledfreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris, I heard a rumor that Ohlins is getting out of the snowmobile business?  Any truth to this?  I also thought that Yamaha still had a minority stake in Ohlins?

Thanks,

Andy

&lt;em&gt;Hey Andy, had not heard this one yet, I&#039;ll have to make a couple of inquiries. Yamaha sold their  interest back to Ohlins a couple of years ago. (YMC had about a 30% interest if I recall). They have no current OE supplier agreements and the SMB biz is shrinking, I can see why they might stop investing. They are a great company with an excellent product. I understand they just came on line as a major sponsor with our motocross world teams.  cheers  cr&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris, I heard a rumor that Ohlins is getting out of the snowmobile business?  Any truth to this?  I also thought that Yamaha still had a minority stake in Ohlins?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Andy</p>
<p><em>Hey Andy, had not heard this one yet, I&#8217;ll have to make a couple of inquiries. Yamaha sold their  interest back to Ohlins a couple of years ago. (YMC had about a 30% interest if I recall). They have no current OE supplier agreements and the SMB biz is shrinking, I can see why they might stop investing. They are a great company with an excellent product. I understand they just came on line as a major sponsor with our motocross world teams.  cheers  cr</em></p>
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		<title>By: Yellowknife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yellowknife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just hogging this entire topic, but for those of you out there who want to look up OEM Yamaha Canada Part Numbers, you can visit forceoneyk.com and click on the Parts Fiche. It was right under my nose all this time.

Also, it turns out my &#039;blown shock&#039; is more than that, its a busted suspension bracket. The good news is the replacement part is beefier and available/on order.

Carver Performance out of the U.S. is swearing that the rear track shock out of the Phazer RTX will fit the MTX. They also offer Ohlins that are the same measurement.

On another question, do the RTX&#039;s from Yamaha come with the Fox Float 2&#039;s or the first go round of Fox Float&#039;s? I found the price of them to be much cheaper than any other shock, thus the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just hogging this entire topic, but for those of you out there who want to look up OEM Yamaha Canada Part Numbers, you can visit forceoneyk.com and click on the Parts Fiche. It was right under my nose all this time.</p>
<p>Also, it turns out my &#8216;blown shock&#8217; is more than that, its a busted suspension bracket. The good news is the replacement part is beefier and available/on order.</p>
<p>Carver Performance out of the U.S. is swearing that the rear track shock out of the Phazer RTX will fit the MTX. They also offer Ohlins that are the same measurement.</p>
<p>On another question, do the RTX&#8217;s from Yamaha come with the Fox Float 2&#8242;s or the first go round of Fox Float&#8217;s? I found the price of them to be much cheaper than any other shock, thus the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Yellowknife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yellowknife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris - does Yamaha Canada offer an online OEM Parts site like Yamaha USA?

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/parts/home.aspx

I was checking out the Yamaha Canada website, I think I&#039;ll take my shot at sending in a resume.

Cheers,
YK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris &#8211; does Yamaha Canada offer an online OEM Parts site like Yamaha USA?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/parts/home.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/parts/home.aspx</a></p>
<p>I was checking out the Yamaha Canada website, I think I&#8217;ll take my shot at sending in a resume.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
YK</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Yamaheads help a fellow snowmobiler in need, right? 

Too bad for your Nytro. No motor failures here far as I know. And those machines take a beating here. Skids, front bulkheads etc. does seem to brake here. But we don´t have that kinda cold temps for long periods here, thank´s to the Golf stream on the Atlantic. 

Last year´s SE was the first Nytro to hold up here in rough. Previous ones broke rails, skids, front A-arms etc. Our trails are just that rough (and the rider kinda unforgiving LOL). And I won´t even go to the mono... It´s just not made for our kind of rough trails with 3ft moguls in them. In smoother trails and over lakes and peatlands it´s the best suspension  ever. 

Ike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Yamaheads help a fellow snowmobiler in need, right? </p>
<p>Too bad for your Nytro. No motor failures here far as I know. And those machines take a beating here. Skids, front bulkheads etc. does seem to brake here. But we don´t have that kinda cold temps for long periods here, thank´s to the Golf stream on the Atlantic. </p>
<p>Last year´s SE was the first Nytro to hold up here in rough. Previous ones broke rails, skids, front A-arms etc. Our trails are just that rough (and the rider kinda unforgiving LOL). And I won´t even go to the mono&#8230; It´s just not made for our kind of rough trails with 3ft moguls in them. In smoother trails and over lakes and peatlands it´s the best suspension  ever. </p>
<p>Ike</p>
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		<title>By: Yellowknife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yellowknife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I agree with your assessment. 

I have an update regarding shocks and the Nytro.

Nytro first, the timing chain tensioner is confirmed to be the cause of the failure. When the tensioner is engaged to take up chain slack during operation, it is failing and the chain is actually skipping over the cam shaft gears. There&#039;s good news; since the failure occured on attempted start up and not under acceleration or idle for that matter, all of the engine components checked out in A1 condition. The inside of that motor looks amazing. They did a leak down test and got 18% on all 3 cylinders. The warranty request is in, and the parts are on order. It&#039;ll be about $800 in parts alone, and about 8 hours labour with 4 hours already invested.

As for shocks. The demand is a 437mm shock that is rebuildable and has compression adjustment. I haven&#039;t been able to find anything that fits those specs. I&#039;ve gotten close, but haven&#039;t been able to confirm specs because they are so hard to find or non-existant. I&#039;m out of time so i&#039;ll have to order the stock shock. I don&#039;t want to run the risk of ordering a shock that blows because it is a few mm too short, or doesn&#039;t fit at all because of misinformation. Hopefully everything comes together shortly for both sleds.

Thanks for all your help! and yours too Ike!

Cheers,
YK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I agree with your assessment. </p>
<p>I have an update regarding shocks and the Nytro.</p>
<p>Nytro first, the timing chain tensioner is confirmed to be the cause of the failure. When the tensioner is engaged to take up chain slack during operation, it is failing and the chain is actually skipping over the cam shaft gears. There&#8217;s good news; since the failure occured on attempted start up and not under acceleration or idle for that matter, all of the engine components checked out in A1 condition. The inside of that motor looks amazing. They did a leak down test and got 18% on all 3 cylinders. The warranty request is in, and the parts are on order. It&#8217;ll be about $800 in parts alone, and about 8 hours labour with 4 hours already invested.</p>
<p>As for shocks. The demand is a 437mm shock that is rebuildable and has compression adjustment. I haven&#8217;t been able to find anything that fits those specs. I&#8217;ve gotten close, but haven&#8217;t been able to confirm specs because they are so hard to find or non-existant. I&#8217;m out of time so i&#8217;ll have to order the stock shock. I don&#8217;t want to run the risk of ordering a shock that blows because it is a few mm too short, or doesn&#8217;t fit at all because of misinformation. Hopefully everything comes together shortly for both sleds.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your help! and yours too Ike!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
YK</p>
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