On another note, Do you know if the Vector guage off an 09 or 2010 will fit on the Nytro as far as the wiring goes and if all functionailty of the guage will work on the Nytro including the clock/tach etc..

Thanks,

Andy

http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=73999

On another note with reguards to handling is that Yamaha really needs to focus on shock calibration. It really seems to be off quite a bit compared to other OEM’s. I also contribute this as one of the main reasons as to why these sleds don’t handle like some of the competition does. I want SRX handling and ride like my Apex GT. We should be able to get this from Yamaha. All of the other OEM’s really seem to be hitting in this area. I hope your driving force helps Yamaha deliver a sled that has the entire package.

It’s good to hear that you have our backs..

Later,

Andy

Thanks Andy, as they say there is more than one way to skin a Cat (or a poo or a doo). I think the assumption of going to lower seat height to get handling is the point… it’s better to stay focussed on the ‘handling character’ without jumping to the ‘how-to’s’. I wouldn’t want to go back to having my my knees in my chin but at the same time I don’t think we could go much higher or forward than the current Apex. You are right about calibration to a point but many forget we have been changing a lot of settings every season. The new Vector really does handle awesome (especially f you dial it with upgraded carbides) I have a lot of confidence in what I have been seeing lately, lets just hope to economy recovers soon and we can once again focus on advancing the product. cheers cr

Thanks, I can’t comment on what we are developing but I feel the VK Pro is too much machine for some applications. We still have a good demand for the original VK 540 wide track and I think the market would support something new in that class (albeit slightly more modern). The XTX is more of a sporty dual purpose machine that could benefit from a more aggressive track if it was focused on ‘off-trail’ but we know the majority of usage is on trail as you indicated so there is a compromise. Easiest thing for us would be to offer another XTX variant closer to a mountain sled. A new wide track is a bigger project but feasible. The current economic downturn will have a lot of bearing on how quickly and aggressively we approach new model development… cheers cr

Thanks Ose, guess I gotta stop saying you guys are south of us, I think in terms of where I am in relationship to the border…
I keep bugging the YMUS guys about joining in on the ‘conversation’. I figure as soon as they find a way to control the internet and program their customers with the correct POV, it’ll be safe to come out and participate . seriously, I think they’ll get into the space eventually but there are a lot of internal perceptions and hurdles to be overcome in the interim. Traditional marketing is all about developing your message and feeding it to the masses repetitively through controlled vehicles such as print ads, video and point of sale. Any individual discussion or comment is generally held private and not exposed for all to hear and comment, then this dang internet thing comes along and messes everything up, what to do, what to do…
I hope your corn takes well and mother nature provides a good crop, our fields, down south around here are still too wet to work, been the wettest April on record… cheers cr

Jimi is still hitting it hard but the bar is getting pushed so high for the extreme cream I can’t imagine how he soldiers on. He is basically a free agent now and uses whatever he can get his hands on. I believe the Yamaha relationship thinned based on ‘perceptions’ and legal opinion related to implied endorsement potential… remember the system seldom holds people accountable for their own actions these days… cr

Nice update. Thanks.

Don’t let the product planning group forget us Groomed Trail/Traditional/Older in years/Handling orientated, riders. I happen to fall intoin all four of the above groups as are many of my fellow riders.

I drove my wifes 2007 Vector a few times this year and added a Supercharged 2005 RX1 with Ohlins up front to the stable.I must admit I prefer the seating position and handling of those two sleds much more than my Apex GT.

Maybe we need drop down air suspension like I have in my ML 550 Sport Ute in one of the Luxo sleds. I hit a button and the supension drops 3 1/2″ and valving goes into sport mode on the truck. It goes from a capable offroader [ditch banger] to near BMW car handling [slot car trail sled] with a touch of a button.[Yah I know probably unrealistic but a fella can dream can't he?]

The 2010 Vector GT almost has it all. Not to keen on the higher seating position. IMHO, lower would be better for a trail sled.

As an aside, a confirmed Doo buddy of mine was commenting that he was not all that impressed with his 800 XP handling vs his Mach Z as it was too light and too high in his opinion. [ He had rolled the XP twice this year vs never on the Mach ] You are right, light is not always a good thing. Depends on the application.

Off topic. Any chance you could comment on the chain tensioner issue on the 05-07 Vector engines from a YMCA perspective. This worries me a little as I ride a lot with only my wife and would hate to have her 2007 Vector grenade on her 80 miles from the trailer. It seems dealers are handling it in different ways in the States from what you read on TY but nothing much coming out of Canada yet.

All the Best,

Dave Weyman

Thanks Dave, you have probably figured out that I fall into the same classification of rider as you. One of our dealers (Yamaha Motorsports Pickering) is experimenting with a lowering kit for Vector that transforms it into a slot car, especially interesting when they add boost.
I am adamant that out next new snowmobile platform should be the best handling trail sled ever to carve a corner and also the best snowmobile we’ve ever built, lofty goals but certainly worth a try. I would not suggest to our engineers that this be accomplished using specifics like light weight, low seat height, CG or anything else, we must simply drive the target message and support the meaning (benefits) of what constitutes ‘best handling’ in a top performing sled, there are things out there that no one has tried and technology yet to be developed… stay tuned.
I’ll check on the Vector tensioner for you as I don’t recall the issue… Cheers cr

OK, I dug a little on the cam chain tensioner question. The part has been updated on newer sleds from a mechanical unit to a hydraulic tensioner. There have been a couple of engine failures connected to the mechanical system and it is still under investigation. In the event of a failure the dealer will have to inspect and report to service, who will make the decision whether or not it is covered. That would explain some of the differences being discussed on TY. I checked the part and it retails for 123 bucks Canadian for the hydro update… If It was me and I had a high mileage Vector out of warranty I would seriously consider the peace of mind purchase of an updated part (8GL 12210 00 00), that’s not to say we won’t cover the engine out of warranty but that can be a bit of a crap shoot. IMHO For the cost of a single carbide it will never be an issue.

cr

Mark

Andy