November 5, 2007
More Snowmobile Updates
Ask me no questions–I’ll tell you no lies…
Man I am starting to get a lot of accessories questions from some of you. I’ll try to play for now but might have to limit in the future if I can’t keep up.
Boz asked –“In the little parts pouch for the wind deflector kit it has these snap washers that the black cap covers snap onto, to cover the screw. Am I making sense so far?? Anyway, I should have gotten six of the snap washers, and I only got four!! My dealer can’t seem to help”– Well Boz, the parts guys have a baggy full and are going to set these snap buttons up as a parts number and post on our web-site. Your dealer will be able to acquire. You should have recv’d six, have your dealer follow-up with our people in a few days.
We checked with the supplier of the Nytro MTX Ultra plate (see post A Prototype and Other Stuff), they confirmed the
plate will bolt onto a short track no problem but we don’t have a photo. It really is designed for improved flotation in deep snow, might look a little weird on the groomed trails and could be really interesting WFO on Kevlar Lake ‘Houston we have lift-off’. 
Yellowknife asked–”Yamaha USA shows 2 different FX Nytro Windshield Bags. One is for the stock windshield (SMA-8GL21-20-00) and the other is for the accessory windshields like the medium and tall ones (SMA-8GL21-30-00) Yamaha Canada does not show the later part number. I ordered the stock one, but am putting a tall windshield on – can I/should I place the order for the later part number instead?” Well YK, our guys have contacted the vendor and should have an answer within 24 hours… I’ll get back to you.
“Yamaha USA and Yamaha Canada show different pictures for the Nytro MTX Rear Rack. Do you know which one is correct? Both have same part number (SMA-8HBRR-RA-CK)” The US picture is correct, we have updated our site, we had an older shot up prior.
“Do you know of any existing pictures using the Nytro Windshield Side Deflector Kit (SMA-8GL96-60-00)? Interested in what it looks like all together with an accessory windshield before ordering.”
Heres one of the prototypes from our dealer meeting we held last spring.
Okay, while I’m straying off-topic within my own arena. I’ll post this link to a rather disturbing news article which is attempting to shed some light on the US economy and the impact on (our) currency exchange.
Finally, I have had a few inquiries regarding some model availability. We have had some minor delays getting units delivered to our regional warehouses, here in an excerpt from a dealer bulletin going out this week…
“We expect to have all 2008 EDP model snowmobiles delivered to dealers by
On that happy note, I’ll post something other than accessory stuff later this week. Still want to get an update from Jimmy Blaze and our SX race team… cheers cr
The Jimmy thing – its just pushing the envelope isn’t it? It will be interesting to hear what he has planned for this year? Us old guys just didn’t think of that stuff. – maybe a good thing. I remember watching DeCoster compete and his no fear of air under him … how the bar has been raised today.
US economy – similarly we read the US is in debt so many trillion dollars (the number didn’t matter) that if they sold all the land in the US and sold all the buildings – they would still be in debt another number of trillions. But – Google is at $600.00 and the world information is blog sourced.
November 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThanks a million for all the answers Chris. There’s no way that any other manufacturer would go these lengths to satisfy their consumers and speak with them directly, not even close. You are breaking new ground and deserve enormous recognition because of it. Customer service is so important, but so often left behind after the sale. I hope all of your superiors know just how much this blog means to the consumer, and that delivered properly like you have been doing, it really does work. If there were ever a plus to owning a Yamaha, this kind of manufacturer interaction is way up there in my books! Thanks for all the answers and the time you take to dig them up and provide them!!
Thanks YK… in regards to the Nytro windshield bag, I got a response: “The contour of the stock windshield is different to the accessory ones, he should order the SMA-8GL21-30-00. It will be set up in our system tomorrow – lead time to here approx 3 weeks (end of November).” Hope this helps… cheers cr
November 5th, 2007 at 10:36 pmAny word on the Fuel Caddy / Soft Luggage from the top of this post:
http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/15/snowmobile
That is a great option and I hope it makes it to production. I don’t see it on the Canadian or US accessorie sites however.
Thanks
Jeff, we are good to go on this accessory.
“CARRIER BAG
Rear carrier, featuring durable powder painted steel with tough ballistic nylon bag with OEM logos. Comes complete with 5 litre Sceptor fuel container. Fits on either side of machine. Sold individually. 08 FX Nytro, 08 FX Nytro RTX, 08 FX Nytro MTX”
We will have it up on our web-site and in a supplemental brochure this month. FYI, It appears all the popular accessories are arriving over the next two weeks including the colored belly pan plates. We should have the majority in dealers hands before months end. cheers cr
November 6th, 2007 at 9:15 amChris, I agree with Yellowknife. THIS IS CONSUMER SERVICE AT IT`S BEST!!! Thumbs up to you!
Ike
November 6th, 2007 at 10:17 amHi Chris,
I wanted to start by saying you’ve done a great job with this blog and providing a means to open interaction with your customers.
I purchased an 07 RTX last season and it has been a blast to ride and very durable (I did change the idlers before even riding it though).
One issue I have is rear suspension calibration. The high speed shock damping can be fixed with a revalve (I understand this is addressed on the 08′s), but a bigger issue IMO is torsion spring preload and low ride height.
With the torsion springs on high, once tunnel ice builds up, it is dragging the snow flap with a 210lb rider on-board and regular supplies in the trunk (tow rope, a few tools, etc.). Throw on some loaded Yamaha saddle bags along with the ice and rider and its only a few inches from bottoming out just sitting there. I tried the heavy duty torsion springs (15% stiffer), but they have less preload and actually lower the back of the sled. I also tried cranking up the center spring, but this made it understeer.
I checked all of the usual suspension places (Hygear, Pioneer Performance and various Yamaha dealers) and while everyone is aware that more ride height is needed, no-one has any springs that provide this.
I ended up re-arching the stock springs to raise the back end (by 5″). This worked really well and made the sled so much nicer to ride (even without ice and saddle bags), but I’m afraid the springs will eventually fatigue and fail because of this “hack”.
Here are some threads where this is discussed on ty4stroke.com:
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=47559
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=40062
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=41078
Ideally I’d like to find a pair of springs that are about 25% stiffer than stock that raise the rear end so that with 260 lbs on the seat, the bumper drops 2-3″ from full extension (with the cams on medium).
Is there anywhere I can purchase torsion springs that will do this? Will FX Nytro torsion springs fit?
Thanks,
Steve
Steve, let me make some inquiries, you obviously done your homework… cr
At this point in time, Yamaha doesn’t make a stiffer rate spring with enough pre-load to keep the sag parameter which you are looking for. Sorry Steve I can’t think of any options for you… cr
November 22nd, 2007 at 8:42 pmHey Chris
Are the FX Nytro A-Arm potectors still available? They are no longer shown on the website. I am interested in getting some red ones for my 40th.
Thanks
The original A-arm protectors were fitted to the MTX models and required another hole to be drilled and a little trimming to fit nicely on the shorties. We have decided to update the guards, heres the response I got: “Chris, we are updating the Nytro FX A-Arm guards, the MTX is still listed and does not fit well on the other Nytro models (needs some trimming). We should have new part numbers by next week. We sent some MTX A-Arm guards back to the vendor to be re- worked and should have them back soon.”
November 23rd, 2007 at 10:33 amKeep an eye on the web site, the part number for the red MTX guards is SMA-8GL91-00-RD msrp 88.95, they will fit RTX but you might want to wait a week and recheck our site… cheers cr
I want to put out a HUGE thank you to Chris, Yamaha Canada and my dealer; Force One, for hooking me up with a pre-production hitch for testing on the Nytro MTX. So far so good, although the testing is not complete as of yet on the hitch. I’ve never had this kind of relationship with a dealer and manufacturer before, no matter how many thousands of dollars I spent at the other manufactuers. Thanks a million!!
All that being said, if you’re interested in following my season’s adventures you can go to: http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=47908
Check back often for updates and new ride reports and reviews. Cheers!! YK
November 23rd, 2007 at 9:01 pmHey Chris – do you know if the error code list is the same for ALL Yamaha 4 strokes?
I’ve dug up the Phazer codes and the Apex codes and everything looks the same, but wanted to verify that they are the same for the 2008 Nytro’s.
I had my first error code “43″ today while in the middle of nowhere. The sled would turn-over, but would not start. The engine light and warning light flashed repeatedly indicating a serious issue.
When looking up error code “43″ for the Phazers and Apex motors, it shows that even with this error, the sled should still start and run. It definitely wouldn’t, which is what has me questioning whether the code definitons are the same.
Thanks for your help – dealers closed for the weekend.
YK
sorry YK, I don’t know the answer to that off the top of my head, (am guessing they are the same) will check on Monday… am wondering what the actual problem is, you’ll need to get it in to Force One for troubleshooting… cr
Hey YK, The trouble codes are all standardized for our four strokes BUT there can be some additional codes for models which have sensors not available on others. So the common ones are all the same but there may be additional for each application. The code you saw indicates power to the fuel system. It should be noted that all the electrics and connections for the Nytro are in the nose of the sled. I’m just guessing here but perhaps you ‘watered-out’ by jamming a lot of snow into the nose, perhaps a loose connection or a little extra water proofing is req’d. The manual says the engine should run but we are thinking thats a big maybe, considering if no power it certainly won’t. The ‘able’ designation is apparently incorrect. Take a real good look at the connectors and maybe add a little extra protection from the elements (think steam, water and fine powder)… the accessory deep snow flotation bumper and plate might help you some as well (I saw your pictures!)… cheers cr
November 24th, 2007 at 10:27 pmThanks again Chris! I have ordered some prefilter to place over some of the vents to still allow cool air to pass through. Your suggestions make sense,because I do have snow inside the nose of the sled right under those connectors. Thanks again!!
November 27th, 2007 at 11:28 amPHAZER 2007 Technical Service Bulletins
Can you tell me what the Technical Service bulletin numbers are for the 2007 Phazer. I am refering to the cold start kit and the ice and snow build-up on the tunnel.
S08-030 Rear Side Panel installation / S08-027 hard starting in X-treme cold. You must see your dealer for details and unit qualification, note these are Canadian dealer communications, USA and Eurpoe may be different.
December 6th, 2007 at 10:02 pmHey Chris
Any word yet on availability and new part number for the re-worked A-Arm protectors for the FX Nytro? Thanks
Sorry took a couple of days to track down… “Part number SMA 8GL9110 BK/ /BL/RD/YL/SL. Bulletin is going out this week to advise dealers of new number. Product should be here end of next week. It is a reworked MTX guard with the hole position changed and shaved a bit near the steering boot.”
December 9th, 2007 at 5:45 pmhi chris
Interesting blog,I just bought an fx nitro,in newfoundland got 55km on it and the temp light came on. lots of snow and about +2 celcius.
Another time it came on -12 celcius,i`m not impressed.i`m getting some help from my dealer but just wondering if you hear of such a problems.
I hear about all kinds of things but you hit the nail on the head with getting the sled back to your dealer to diagnose, sounds like your baby needs a good burping cheers cr
January 29th, 2008 at 6:57 pmI want to install the ultra skid plate i have for my 2006 apex gt..
But i didnt get the instructions with it..
How do you install it??
I figure you must drill out the rivets on the bottom of the sled.. but i want to know what size drill bit to use. before you use the crush nuts..
THanks
Brian, the instructions recommend that you have the plate installed by a dealer… that said, you drill out the four rear rivets using a 10mm drill bit. NOTE: DO NOT DRILL ANY DEEPER THAN 20mm into the belly pan, Use a drill bit collar stop, fastened at 20mm to avoid damage to other components. Install the the 4 inserts using special tool and make sure flange is flush with the bulkhead. Repeat for the remaining three holes. Using Blue lock-tite install the plate starting at the leading two holes then working back to the 4 rivnuts. Don’t tighten until all bolts are installed and aligned. cheers cr
November 30th, 2008 at 8:17 pmDoes anyone know what error code 84 stands for? I own a 2007 Apex GT with 535 miles. Run without error winter of 2007/2008. All well when summerized, however first ride with fresh gas, it immediately started cutting in and out and the RPM’s were up and down. Wait a couple minutes, RPM’s stabelized and all ok? Ride for 200-yards starts cutting out with engine & yellow flashing with code 84. HELP!! Dont want to haul all the way back to the dealer Want to ride!! Kevan
Thats any easy one Kevan: Code 84 – Throttle override system has been activated. What this means is either the throttle cable needs adjusting or in the case of storage one of the switches may be sticking… absolute worse case you may have a failed controller in the igniter box but that’s unlikely. Check the cable adjustment and TORs connections, snap the throttle open and closed a few times, you should be good to go… cr
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:03 pmHey i have another question..
I installed all new Yamaha Spoked Wheels on my apex gt..
THe inner wheels are all rubbing on the inside drive lugs of the track causing a nasty growling noise over 60mph and showing wear on the wheels..
Arnt these supposed to be direct bolt ins? It doesnt say anything on the yamaha website about it..
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:10 pmIv had the same problem with code 43 on my nytro. A few people told me to change my battery, but the weird thing is it was still turning over fine. it seemed like it would not spark.. so i changed my batt and it has been good since. Anyone else have the same problems?
December 15th, 2008 at 12:25 amNEED HELP!! with replacing the Hyfax on my 2007 Yamaha Apex GT. You think Yamaha would make one hole larger on each side of the track for the Hyfax replacement. Can anyone help me with a fast & easy way to replace them? I already have the rear axel out and still cannot shift the track over far enough to get at the Hyfax’s. HELP!! HELP!! HELP ANYONE!! Thanks
Kevan
December 21st, 2008 at 6:28 pmHey,can you tell me what fault code 34 means? It is flashing but now that I have read blog I think some weather proofing in the front end might just be the problem. We had just came off a soupy lake and out of some pretty good powder.Thanks
Yo lost… depending what model you are referring to (Code 33 = cylinder one or cylinder two)… regardless the trouble code 34 indicates a faulty ignition if the unit is fuel injected.
December 28th, 2008 at 3:26 pmHopefully you are correct and some moisture in a connector has caused a temporary short, which if dried and sealed (dielectric grease / silicone etc…) it won’t happen again, but… it could be many things and may require a dealer analysis. Yellowknife had a similar condition last year and I believe was successful with waterproofing detail… cheers cr
My T.O.R.S.is activated. Just started yesterday with code 84, checked everything.Checked connections,checked throttle,snapped open and closed few times. Still the same, could it be, the plastic (dont kno wut u call them)their in the throttle lever, maybe worn out? HELP!
‘What model sled?’
January 4th, 2009 at 2:23 pm2009 yamaha nytro xtx does anybody know what code 30 means
January 18th, 2009 at 4:44 pmMO: We were running great with a 2007 Phazer. Went to start it up in 0 degrees and got Error Code 43. Cranks great..No start. Could it be frozen ?
January 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pmdoes anyone know what error code 43 means on the 2007 phazer
January 27th, 2009 at 4:45 pmTons (literally) of snow and ice build up in the tunnel on my 09 Nytro XTX. So much so, that the suspensions stays sagged (bottomed out) even when I get off the machine!!! Is there a fix in the works for this??
I’m not aware of any forthcoming changes cr
March 13th, 2009 at 7:52 pmHi I have Apex 2007 Mountain, the snowmobile i “shoouting”, when I have run with high speed, and take the speed of, and push again the thoutle, the snowmobile give a litle explosion through the exhust pipes, It runs great, but i dont´like it shoouting, I have tested vacum, and nozzle,and use fuel cleaner.
Sounds like you have an issue with un burned fuel causing a ‘backfire’ in the exhaust system. My educated guess, has me thinking cam timing (if the engine has ever been apart it will run with the chain off a tooth), throttle body synchronization or perhaps a valve adjustment. Of course you may have an electrical issue as well. You need to get it to a qualified dealer to trouble shoot. I don’t know what fuel quality is like in Greenland but I suppose that might have something to do with it… suggest you do a detailed post over on Toatllyamaha, give the mileage, conditions, what you have done to the engine, (mods, service repairs etc).. and see if anyone can offer more detailed advice… cheers cr
April 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pmHi was wondering about service bulletins 93acm altitude compensation and 93 ach alt compensation for 2009 nytro xtx
Don’t understand your question, but clearly you have access to dealer internal information, suggest you refer to same, they can contact DSSG to address any inquiries… cheers cr
May 11th, 2009 at 10:51 pmhow do i take off the seat on a 2009 yamaha apex ltx
you start with the end caps on the exhaust pipes…keep diggingcr
December 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pmhi i have a 2010 nytro xtx and i was riding it today and the error code 84 came on, i seen up above Kevan Rogers had 84 on his apex and i was wondering if the problem is the same for my nytro..
I’d have to check with the guys at the office, a quick call to your dealer is another option… cheers cr
December 19th, 2009 at 10:24 pmErrorcode diagnist #43
January 5th, 2010 at 5:54 pmIts -30* C here and i was just out to try start my Nytro MTX-08.
Earlier today i was using a booster to battery start the engine at the service center. Left my Nytro there to fix errcode 12. Crancchaft indicator but it realy was the start relay had to be changed. Had been done on several newer yamaha i was told.
Read above this someone changed battery for errorcode #43. I will put battery charger tomorrow and try start. Otherwise by new battery 50 USD to spend. Ok battery is usewear and had to be changed now and then.
Was wondering if anyone has a solution to a code 85 on an 07 Phazer. I have checked all connections to oil resivoir and switched the the electronic dip stick. Still pulling the code. Also is there a site or does anyone have an entire code listing for the Yamaha 4 strokes.
January 8th, 2010 at 11:33 ami have a 08 fx nytro, the code 43 comes up up ad i know that it is regarding the power to the fuel pump and injectors. ,i seen some of you write that you changed the battery , how many volts does it need to run , anyone have an idea does not say anything i the manual, i would imagine 12.8
January 30th, 2010 at 5:54 pmforgot to mention that i had not ride the sled in three weeks and had washed it and then left it outside over that time. When i tried to start it , the temp was only about 5 above f with a wind chill of 5 below for a few days , wondering if the battery just got drained
January 30th, 2010 at 6:05 pmRecently purchased /05 RX-1 snowmobile. Orange light on dash comes on when riding but more so when idling. No manual with machine. Can anyone please tell me what this is and why does it stay on. Machine otherwise running great.Also 3a llight. One is highbeam what are other 2?
The orange light is a warning telling you to look for an icon on the guage that indicates your problem. It could be low fuel, low (cold) temp, engine, or TORS, suggest you drop by adealer and see if they have an old manual you could copy or search over at Totallyamaha for a manual download which I have seen available (theres always google…)
February 11th, 2010 at 9:11 pmi bought a new Viking RS professional here in Japan
Error codes 42 and 84 – any ideas ( the manuals are all in Japanese and the dealer doesnt speak english )
February 15th, 2010 at 6:34 pmi bought a 09 yamaha venture it will not go in to reverse all the time
Yep, the mechanical system doesn’t always mesh and may require just a touch on the throttle to line things up. I actually brought up the subject today with engineering. Make sure the linkage is adjusted correctly and your idle isn’t too high as having the clutch loaded won’t help but for the most part it is the nature of the beast. I’ll keep on the subject with service and planning… cheers cr
March 11th, 2010 at 12:17 pmI have a 2006 VK Professional and am having numerous Code 84 (TORS) shut downs. Could you tell me what the solution might be. Thank you.
Could be throttle cable adjustment, switch or processor (ECU), best get you dealer to check it out and contact our servie people if they are unsure of the cause or coverage… cheers cr
March 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pmI have as 08 Phazer MTX which was showing code 24 and 84 dealer replaced the ECU box and after 30 minutes on the mountain it is doing it again. Will not throttle properly bogs and is difficult to get going?
I checked with service, told there is no code 24 but 84 indicates TORS (throttle override), make sure the throttle cable is correctly adjusted but sounds like another trip to the dealer is in imminent… cheers cr
March 29th, 2010 at 12:12 amChris I sorry it is code 42 and 84. obviously the replacement of the ECU did not fix it, albeit it did work for 30 minutes. Is there anything that would cause the ECU to fail such as a short somewhere?
Code 42 is the ‘speed sensor’, check the end of the main shaft beneath the secondary, make sure the wires and sensor are good and the bearing isn’t pooched. I would not assume the ECU has failed but if so, it has a 30 day parts warranty if the dealer recently replaced (if I’m not mistaken), in which case you better move on it quickly. I’m thinking you have something else wrong in the system, bad sensor, short, or other illusive gremlin… good luck cr
March 29th, 2010 at 12:31 pmI have an 07 Phazer that left me stranded with code 81 flashing yesterday. I know its the grip warmer circuit but does anyone know where to start to fix it?
January 9th, 2011 at 9:11 amHi i have a Venture GT 2009 that cod 43 comes up on the dash what is code 43 mean ?
Code 43 indicates the ECU cannot read the voltage to the fuel system due to an open circuit or short.:Something is up with the power source for the fuel circuit. cr
January 9th, 2011 at 6:09 pmi have a 08 venture lite and a 08 nytro. have noticed that when the weather gets very cold out the fuel pump doesn’t make a sound when i go to start them. The only way i get them to go is to warm up the fuel pump relay in my hands. After i rub the relay i could hear the pump come on, then i start it.
ANyway the reason im writing is because i put desiel fuel in my venture lite by mistake. it ran ok but couldn’t idle. i drained the tank and filled it up with gas. Still smells bad, and won’t idle, need to give it a little throtle to let it run. what should i do.
Hey Jimmie my first inclination is to recommend you get it into a dealership. The relay we know about and the part has been updated with varying reports of success. The fact the sled still smells of diesel tells me you haven’t got rid of it all which might explain the poor idle. The engine will be running very ‘lean’ with the oil replacing fuel. Hopefully when the oil is out of the system, the idle will be back to normal. It may be as simple as a fouled plug. I have no idea what havoc this may have reeked on the various ECU sensors, or if any permanent damage has occurred, again, you dealer may have some better insights when giving the opportunity to inspect the unit… good luck cheers cr
November 15th, 2011 at 1:52 pmHave a 2009 venture lite only 1400km with codes 42&84 on steady. Had it back to the dealer and had throttle adjusted. Worked for less than an hour and now comes on again. Still feels like its going to cut out when riding the trails; but throttle is fine on open country. Could this be a bearing going? Had to cut the trip short and is this causing any damage by riding it back with this problem each time?
March 8th, 2012 at 8:25 pmHave a 2006 VK Professional and have a Code 5.
Apparently this the throttle position sensor. What is the cure.
Thanks.
April 29th, 2012 at 4:12 am