Comments on: A Prototype Yamaha and More Nytro Stuff http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/ Where sled heads gather to talk about what they love best. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:27:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bill Sparrow http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-8610 Bill Sparrow Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:29:19 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-8610 I've been searching the sleds that Yamaha, Ski-Doo, Arctic Cat and Polaris are putting out. ALL are expensive and require dealer servicing. . . . an industry plot to generate more money for the dealers ???? Is there not enought money in low cost, low maintenance sleds anymore, sleds like the 340 Yammies, 280 Tundras, 340 Polaris Colts, Arctic Cat 340, was it a Lynx ??? or Puma??? That's all many of us want. Otherwise, we will gravitate to buying tracks for our Quads and screw the cost of sleds, insurance, maintenance, depreciation. Canadians continue to get screwed with prices 40% higher than U.S. list, even though our money is pretty much at parity. Wake up manufacturers/dealers. We're not stupid. It is getting easier to buy in the U.S. and we will either do that or continue to rebuild the old sleds/ATV's until we remind you of a vacation in Cuba !!!! I’ve been searching the sleds that Yamaha, Ski-Doo, Arctic Cat and Polaris are putting out. ALL are expensive and require dealer servicing. . . . an industry plot to generate more money for the dealers ????

Is there not enought money in low cost, low maintenance sleds anymore, sleds like the 340 Yammies, 280 Tundras, 340 Polaris Colts, Arctic Cat 340, was it a Lynx ??? or Puma???

That’s all many of us want. Otherwise, we will gravitate to buying tracks for our Quads and screw the cost of sleds, insurance, maintenance, depreciation. Canadians continue to get screwed with prices 40% higher than U.S. list, even though our money is pretty much at parity.

Wake up manufacturers/dealers. We’re not stupid. It is getting easier to buy in the U.S. and we will either do that or continue to rebuild the old sleds/ATV’s until we remind you of a vacation in Cuba !!!!

]]> By: Sean Michael http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-8528 Sean Michael Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:58:20 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-8528 Chris, Just found your site/blog and the awesome shots of the above hybrid sled. I also recently bought my first snow machines: "90 Phazer II and '90 VK540. Any chance you can point me toward the best sites for finding a community of knowledge users of these older Yam's? I am trying to improve the off piste capabilities of the VK in particular (eg, what max depth track can I put on?)? Thanks! Sean <em>Hey Sean, I recommend <a href="http://www.totallyamaha.net/forums/" rel="nofollow">Totallyamaha</a> as the best Yamaha owners forum, there is a VK section and some very enthusiastic owners... cheers cr</em> Chris,
Just found your site/blog and the awesome shots of the above hybrid sled. I also recently bought my first snow machines: “90 Phazer II and ’90 VK540.

Any chance you can point me toward the best sites for finding a community of knowledge users of these older Yam’s? I am trying to improve the off piste capabilities of the VK in particular (eg, what max depth track can I put on?)?

Thanks!

Sean

Hey Sean, I recommend Totallyamaha as the best Yamaha owners forum, there is a VK section and some very enthusiastic owners… cheers cr

]]> By: Bill Sparrow http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-4789 Bill Sparrow Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:05:34 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-4789 Had to replace the pistons on the Ovation; oil injector stopped working and I burned them out. Went for a ride today. The old '89 Ovation performed like it just came off the showroom floor. What a great machine!!!! Bring back an updated version with 450 Kodiak engine, inch or two wider track for greater stability, rear rack, reverse; all servicable parts under one cowling. Make it a fun, entry level sled for about $8,000.00. Yamaha can save money on a new utility sled by revamping the VK540 with a Grizzly 700 engine, in the $10,000.00 range. We sometimes ride on glare ice in the North, something to scrape up ice/snow for lubrication while moving and more bogeys to relieve pressure on the sliders would be great. There are times when my sliders smell like burning tires. <em>Bill I want to wrap you up in a Hudson's Bay blanket and ship you first class to Iwata... cheers cr</em> Had to replace the pistons on the Ovation; oil injector stopped working and I burned them out. Went for a ride today. The old ’89 Ovation performed like it just came off the showroom floor. What a great machine!!!! Bring back an updated version with 450 Kodiak engine, inch or two wider track for greater stability, rear rack, reverse; all servicable parts under one cowling. Make it a fun, entry level sled for about $8,000.00. Yamaha can save money on a new utility sled by revamping the VK540 with a Grizzly 700 engine, in the $10,000.00 range. We sometimes ride on glare ice in the North, something to scrape up ice/snow for lubrication while moving and more bogeys to relieve pressure on the sliders would be great. There are times when my sliders smell like burning tires.

Bill I want to wrap you up in a Hudson’s Bay blanket and ship you first class to Iwata… cheers cr

]]> By: Bill Sparrow http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-3912 Bill Sparrow Sun, 04 Apr 2010 05:22:21 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-3912 I didn't know if Yamaha (Canada) read these blogs or not, but I just received a great ball cap in the mail for my comments about a redesigned Bravo. Glad to hear that Yamaha still isn't too big and arrogant to listen to us(riders). Thanks Yamaha ! You just reinforced my reason for being a loyal fan. By the way, it would be nice if future Grizzly models came with a back-up pull start. A dead battery in a sled can be a "death sentence" here in Manitoba's -40 winters; a dead battery in an ATV can still leave you stranded miles from a road. I would gladly pay an extra fee to have back-up manual start with decompression as an option. I didn’t know if Yamaha (Canada) read these blogs or not, but I just received a great ball cap in the mail for my comments about a redesigned Bravo. Glad to hear that Yamaha still isn’t too big and arrogant to listen to us(riders). Thanks Yamaha ! You just reinforced my reason for being a loyal fan. By the way, it would be nice if future Grizzly models came with a back-up pull start. A dead battery in a sled can be a “death sentence” here in Manitoba’s -40 winters; a dead battery in an ATV can still leave you stranded miles from a road. I would gladly pay an extra fee to have back-up manual start with decompression as an option.

]]> By: rxwhopper http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-3825 rxwhopper Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:53:26 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-3825 thanks to him it is great to have a v max 4. I recently just purchased a red 96 v max 4 mountain max. Fortunatly a owner which never jad a clue owned it and took the bearing out behind the primary and bust the case so i got it cheap. I am so proud of having a max 4 again i dont even care to drive my s.c. attak. Funny but excited to get the old 4 together and take it for a ride. i tell peaple i bought it just so i can start it up and listen to it. Some of my buddys think i am nuts buying it but they have no passion for the old sled. Esspecially the buddy who helped me load it on my truck. Oh just a thought. Why do parts for that old of sled have to be so expensive? the cases are 1400.00 canadian and the sled is only worth maybe 2500 to 3000 to the right guy. Wouldnt yamaha rather sell there parts then eventually throw them away? thanks thanks to him it is great to have a v max 4. I recently just purchased a red 96 v max 4 mountain max. Fortunatly a owner which never jad a clue owned it and took the bearing out behind the primary and bust the case so i got it cheap. I am so proud of having a max 4 again i dont even care to drive my s.c. attak. Funny but excited to get the old 4 together and take it for a ride. i tell peaple i bought it just so i can start it up and listen to it. Some of my buddys think i am nuts buying it but they have no passion for the old sled. Esspecially the buddy who helped me load it on my truck. Oh just a thought. Why do parts for that old of sled have to be so expensive? the cases are 1400.00 canadian and the sled is only worth maybe 2500 to 3000 to the right guy. Wouldnt yamaha rather sell there parts then eventually throw them away? thanks

]]> By: Bill Sparrow http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-3561 Bill Sparrow Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:27:45 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-3561 I couldn't agree more with Scott. I just traded off my 07 Phazer on a Grizzly 550. Worst sled I ever owned. Give us single cylinder 4 stroke Kodiak 450 or Grizzly 550/700, 16 by 136 (or 154) track, removable back seat, pull (or kick) and electric start, reverse, motor and service parts easy access under one cowling, not numerous panels that break and are murder to access on the trail, permanently lubed suspension instead of having to thaw out the ice to find the grease nipples, Heat vents for the feet and upper body, gas tank for 160 Km range, larger wrap around windshield, hitch, decent travel for rough riding, rider forward seat, wider foot platform with non-slip surface, strut front end, hydralic suspension instead of gas shocks that collapse in extreme cold conditions, block heater . I am restoring my 89 Ovation 340 rather than buy any of the new high tech, can't service sleds that it seems every manufacturer is moving towards or has already done so in the case of Yamaha. How about a redesigned Bravo to the above specs? I've been a Yamaha guy for a long time, but the new sleds just aren't appealing to me. <em>Thanks Bill, I have used basically the same 'Grizzly engine in a simple, functional chassis' in several presentations... we would have to learn how to make it outside of the current 'box' to keep the cost in line... for now its a dream. cheers cr</em> I couldn’t agree more with Scott. I just traded off my 07 Phazer on a Grizzly 550. Worst sled I ever owned. Give us single cylinder 4 stroke Kodiak 450 or Grizzly 550/700, 16 by 136 (or 154) track, removable back seat, pull (or kick) and electric start, reverse, motor and service parts easy access under one cowling, not numerous panels that break and are murder to access on the trail, permanently lubed suspension instead of having to thaw out the ice to find the grease nipples, Heat vents for the feet and upper body, gas tank for 160 Km range, larger wrap around windshield, hitch, decent travel for rough riding, rider forward seat, wider foot platform with non-slip surface, strut front end, hydralic suspension instead of gas shocks that collapse in extreme cold conditions, block heater . I am restoring my 89 Ovation 340 rather than buy any of the new high tech, can’t service sleds that it seems every manufacturer is moving towards or has already done so in the case of Yamaha. How about a redesigned Bravo to the above specs? I’ve been a Yamaha guy for a long time, but the new sleds just aren’t appealing to me.

Thanks Bill, I have used basically the same ‘Grizzly engine in a simple, functional chassis’ in several presentations… we would have to learn how to make it outside of the current ‘box’ to keep the cost in line… for now its a dream. cheers cr

]]> By: James http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-1898 James Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:01:38 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-1898 So is this prototype to become a reality. The bravo trapper last forever, an updated affordable utility model would be great. James <em>alas... it was cut up and scrapped, not to say we won't develop something in the class someday,as for the poor Bravo tictictic all good things must pass... cheers cr</em> So is this prototype to become a reality. The bravo trapper last forever, an updated affordable utility model would be great.

James

alas… it was cut up and scrapped, not to say we won’t develop something in the class someday,as for the poor Bravo tictictic all good things must pass… cheers cr

]]> By: Jim Manning http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-1558 Jim Manning Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:15:24 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-1558 Thanks Chris. Is there a way to engage Jon through your blog site? Jim <em>Only if your name is 'Bunny' :-P ... but I know where to find him!! cheers </em> Thanks Chris.

Is there a way to engage Jon through your blog site?

Jim

Only if your name is ‘Bunny’ :-P … but I know where to find him!! cheers

]]> By: Jim Manning http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-1557 Jim Manning Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:12:10 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-1557 Hello Chris, Could you comment on Yamaha Canada's process for giving aftermarket vendors access to new models ahead of the general public? We (Brothers Performance) build gauge pods, hood scoops and inspection plates for all of the current Yammie chassis (except the Nytro - we're working on that right now). the problem is that by the time the new stuff hits the dealers, we're so busy with engine and turbo builds, that it is hard to find the time to do our R&D. Everyone wants there work done 'right now' (understandable - the season is short) and it would be nice to have the time to do new product development in our slow season as opposed to the very busiest time of year. I'd love to be able to hit Haydays one year with new product as opposed to a stack of business cards and the promise that we'll have stuff in time for the season. We're not by any means the biggest vendor out there with an aftermarket product. We offer a niche product, strive to exceed customer expectation, and really try to give back to the TY/Yamaha snowmobile community. Any suggestions or assistance you might be able to offer would be most welcome. Regards, Jim Jim Manning Brothers Performance Enterprises Ltd. <em>Jim this is a fairly common request... couple of things, most advanced accessory development is performed using pre-production or prototype equipment. 2 problems: first there is a chance some parts will change by the time they reach production, second pre-pros are few and far between. What we try to do in Canada is schedule availability to select vendors based on priority and product. We consider products that will enhance our overall marketing and customer satisfaction, for example we loaned an MTX to several turbo developers over the summer and loaned Tour-buddy a pre-pro knowing the stock fuel tank was a bit small for 'core' trail riders etc... In your case I suggest you open a dialog with our product manager and follow-up in February when new models are announced to see if you can book access to a pre-pro for a set period of time to help develop your products. Andrew Fulkerson in the USA Jon Blaicher in Canada... cheers cr</em> Hello Chris,

Could you comment on Yamaha Canada’s process for giving aftermarket vendors access to new models ahead of the general public? We (Brothers Performance) build gauge pods, hood scoops and inspection plates for all of the current Yammie chassis (except the Nytro – we’re working on that right now). the problem is that by the time the new stuff hits the dealers, we’re so busy with engine and turbo builds, that it is hard to find the time to do our R&D. Everyone wants there work done ‘right now’ (understandable – the season is short) and it would be nice to have the time to do new product development in our slow season as opposed to the very busiest time of year. I’d love to be able to hit Haydays one year with new product as opposed to a stack of business cards and the promise that we’ll have stuff in time for the season.

We’re not by any means the biggest vendor out there with an aftermarket product. We offer a niche product, strive to exceed customer expectation, and really try to give back to the TY/Yamaha snowmobile community.

Any suggestions or assistance you might be able to offer would be most welcome.

Regards, Jim

Jim Manning
Brothers Performance Enterprises Ltd.

Jim this is a fairly common request… couple of things, most advanced accessory development is performed using pre-production or prototype equipment.
2 problems: first there is a chance some parts will change by the time they reach production, second pre-pros are few and far between. What we try to do in Canada is schedule availability to select vendors based on priority and product. We consider products that will enhance our overall marketing and customer satisfaction, for example we loaned an MTX to several turbo developers over the summer and loaned Tour-buddy a pre-pro knowing the stock fuel tank was a bit small for ‘core’ trail riders etc…
In your case I suggest you open a dialog with our product manager and follow-up in February when new models are announced to see if you can book access to a pre-pro for a set period of time to help develop your products. Andrew Fulkerson in the USA Jon Blaicher in Canada… cheers cr

]]> By: Yellowknife http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-1471 Yellowknife Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:15:39 +0000 http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/10/26/a-prototype-yamaha-and-more-nytro-stuff/#comment-1471 The new ultra plate is interesting. One thing I like about it is the width. Most, if not all skid plates only cover the belly pan, or about 2/3rd's of underneath the motor. I like how this one extends under the cluching and battery/chaincase area. That's how a skid plate should be! I wasn't going to bother with one, but now I'm interested. The new ultra plate is interesting. One thing I like about it is the width. Most, if not all skid plates only cover the belly pan, or about 2/3rd’s of underneath the motor. I like how this one extends under the cluching and battery/chaincase area. That’s how a skid plate should be! I wasn’t going to bother with one, but now I’m interested.

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